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LeBell Lied About Choking Out Seagal

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This is a story that has been going around for years.  Even I got a good laugh out of it myself. The old rumor goes that Steven Seagal was roughing up some stuntmen on the set of a movie. He began bragging about a sixth fighting sense that enabled him to escape any hold in the process.  Annoyed, Gene LeBell steps up.

LeBell, so the story goes, puts a hold on Seagal, who cannot escape.  Seagal is forced to tap.  ‘I wasn’t ready’, was Seagal’s response.  ‘Let me know when you are ready’ (funny how someone at some point even makes up the dialogue in these rumors).  Seagal nods, they go again.  Seagal this time tries to go for LeBell’s nuts, who takes Seagal to the ground.

Seagal passes out and shits himself – something not unheard of when you lose consciousness.  This is the story Joe Rogan, Ronda Rousey and quite a few others are only too happy to repeat on request.  Hey, after all Seagal is an asshat, so they say.

But is it true?  Stuntman Ron Balicki pretty much destroys the theory.  Here is what he posted on Facebook a while back;

Are you talking about the bullshitter, Gene Lebell? The guy who says that he choked Steven out, which is a big, big lie. You mean the Gene who actually is a murderer who went to jail and got out of a technicality, that Gene? You should look that up. That’s a fact, not a fairytale like that bs Gene spins.

No story gains traction quite so quickly, in today’s media frenzy environment, than one that tears down a well respected celebrity. In this instance, there is a fairytale rendition of how the great Gene Lebell choked out Steven Seagal, with rather unpleasant effect. The story is patently false, but this bit of martial arts mythology now seems to have really taken root. Trashing the reputation of a martial artist and movie icon may be a sad part of the entertainment process, but when the story is not correct, and the consequences truly damaging, the situation must be set straight. I can speak to this myth personally as I am close to the people in these circles and was an eyewitness to the exchange that day between Gene and Steven. Know that this is not easy for me to do. My family and I know both Gene and Steven well, so to see this malicious urban legend live on through the years divides people we care about deeply.

There were numerous people present on the day when Gene Lebell met Steven Seagal and allegedly fought. In reality, no fight occurred and there was no contact between Gene and Steven on that movie set. Gene’s role was to work as a Utility Stuntman under the stunt coordinator, Conard Palmisano. Steven also had two bodyguards present who were LAPD officers. As his security specialists and professional law enforcement officials, they would both have been in serious trouble had they let their boss get choked out, and possibly killed, by a marginal stuntman. The stunt coordinator, Conrad Palmisono was there and witnessed any interactions that occurred between Gene and Steven. Conrad Pamisano was one of the most successful Stunt coordinators working in show business at the time. The legal exposure and professional consequences for Conrad would have been severe had he let a stuntman under his supervision aggressively even touch any star on a movie set. Quite simply, Conrad, as a professional with great responsibility, would never have allowed this situation to occur.

Another stuntman by the name of Steve Lambert was also an eyewitness to Gene’s and Steven’s brief interaction. He also stated that Gene never choked out Steven and that no altercation ever occurred. Again, this is not some street fight, or casual dojo situation. If such an altercation happened on a professional movie set the consequences for the producers, directors and the movie studio would be most severe. A stuntman (Lebell) simply cannot choke out and hurt the lead star of a movie in production on the set. The legal liability and damage to their professional reputations would be unthinkable. Quite simply the set would have been closed down. If the star lost consciousness a doctor’s signed release would be legally required for Steven to go back to work. No such record exists. The bonding company who insures the production for the movie would have sued Lebell for the loss of working days. The financial implications would amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars given the cost of shutting down production even for a couple of days. Again, keep in mind that we are talking about an alleged fight on a professional movie set. The consequences of such an altercation would be enormous. Casual altercations might happen in the gym, but not on the highly regulated and professionally managed stage of a movie production.

In truth, this story is nothing more than WWE type hype in which Gene Lebell is known to indulge going back to his early wrestling days. He is doing the same thing with Ronda Rousey today. Gene Lebell is now saying that she (Ronda) can beat up Bruce Lee; what could be more absurd? What could get more attention? This entirely fabricated story is simply a way of staying in the public eye and making a living at the expense of the reputation of another. There are radio shows like Joe Rogan and others who validate this ludicrous fiction in order to increase their ratings. Ronda Rousey, and some others, are also telling this story during interviews for their own self-promotion. In a recent interview Ronda stated that she knows the story to be true. That is ridiculous; she was 3 years old when this allegedly happened. It seems that this made up altercation is simply part of the sad story of American media and the cult of celebrity. We build up stars with respect and then enjoy a good story, true or not, that tears them down. Clearly that is the case here. This entirely fabricated story has legs because it creates good hype for side-show acts that need attention and boosts ratings for gossip radio talk shows. The facts are quite clear; Gene never choked out Steven. But as the old proverb says, “never let the truth get in the way of a good story”.

We actually have video of all those that were present that day when Gene met Steven. They all say Gene is telling a major lie. Conrad is major pissed a Gene.We actually have video of all those that were present that day when Gene met Steven. They all say Gene is telling a major lie. Conrad is major pissed a Gene.

Sounds pretty definitive to me.  Of course, Seagal would later say that he was baffled as to why LeBell would go around spreading such bullshit and that he was hurt and offended.  Seagal even went on to swear on the lives of his children that it didn’t happen.  Looks to me like it didn’t.

What is the source of this rumor?  I’m not entirely sure, but from what I recall it was LeBell himself, who quickly did not comment on it any further.  This ‘not commenting’ thing will confirm in some minds that it was true and LeBell is too much of a man to brag.  But now with this alternate view, you could say that LeBell does not what to be choked out himself by a heavyweight lawyer. Certainly, ‘not commenting’ would be advisable if major slander unexpectedly got out of hand.

LeBell it seems though, is still fueling the fire.  If this didn’t happen, and we now have strong reason to suspect that it did not, LeBell is still lying by omission.  When asked to confirm or deny, ‘I don’t want to brag’ is pretty much tacit lying.

So did LeBell actually choke out Seagal?

Credit: Steven Seagal Forums

54 Comments

  1. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:19 am

    The king of Rock and Roll once spoke the following words

  2. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:25 am

    Gene Lebell was, is & will always be a faggot whom was jealous of our Sensei. The overrated pussy could not even choke his own dick.
    I always laugh at the whole “Oh my God! He choked out a boxer!!”
    Of course he did, 2 different types of fighting. A boxer is not trained in how to use their legs as weapons, nor in how to choke people.
    2 very different fighting art forms.
    Fucking idiots

    • CyrusTheVirus85

      August 15, 2016 at 10:32 am

      Success breeds jealousy.

      • Mucho Macho

        August 15, 2016 at 10:34 am

        Yes Sir👍
        Thats why our Sensei has so many haters.
        Fuck ’em!

  3. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:27 am

    The truth is The Sensei only shits when he wants to.
    Fuck LeBell and every other idiot lying asshole who repeated this story.
    All Hail Sensei Seagal
    https://youtu.be/yW5i4MqjbxY

    • Duncan BROcleod

      August 15, 2016 at 11:35 am

      It is Sensei who gives life and causes death, and he is well-aware of what the aforementioned charlatans do. To them I say repent, and thy limbs shall be saved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIHBiAsaZQ

      • Mucho Macho

        August 15, 2016 at 12:13 pm

        Yes Sir my fellow member of The Sensei Seagal Dojo.
        Sensei Seagal is the greatest chiropractor in the history of crime fighting.
        On sunday we worshipped the Lord Jesus Christ …
        Today we honor Sensei Seagal.👏
        Thank you for spreading the gospel

    • Jason Montell

      October 5, 2016 at 2:27 am

      This article is bullshit.
      There is an interview with seagull where he states that gene lebel was helping him stretch. He went on and said that gene held him in positions that were stretching out his muscles and he then went limp from the relaxation which is where the chock out story came from..
      So, everybody can dismiss the author of this article as being ill informed.

      • Wendy Yeo

        March 14, 2018 at 8:03 am

        You are a piece of shit. When the author says there was no contact between them he was referring to adverse physical contact during a confrontation which, according to many on the set, did not actually happen.

  4. CyrusTheVirus85

    August 15, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Good Monday morning reading boss.

  5. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:32 am

    LeBell only wishes he could have banged a hottie such as this 1 back in the day. Sensei is also a master in the art of hot pussy banging
    https://youtu.be/B4X3QhG2SJs

  6. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:39 am

    No need to deal with divorce lawyers.
    Listen to The Sensei in how to avoid alimony.
    Do the deed.. confess to the priest and you’re good to go.
    All Hail Our Sensei Seagal
    https://youtu.be/eVVAkxMPj0Q

  7. Mucho Macho

    August 15, 2016 at 10:53 am

    Kids today have to worship the likes of Hillary, Fat Ass ugly female Ghostbusters, Gay characters that are gay for no reason other than just there to be annoying & communists masquerading as patriots.
    Not us..we have our own heroes.
    Let us celebrate one of the finest heroes ever
    https://youtu.be/KeIH9N9A0Oo

  8. jim

    August 15, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    Lotta scumbags. The Gene Lebell murder story is sleazily fascinating.
    covertbookreport.com/judo-gene-lebell-was-once-charged-with-murder-intrigue/

    • Ron Balicki

      August 16, 2016 at 4:04 pm

      Actually, it is a true story. Go look at the .gov sites. Look up Robert (Duke) Hall, Jack Ginsberg or Jack Eggers. You will see that Lebell was part of his murder but escaped doing any prison time due to a technicality.

  9. mark

    August 15, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    In regards to his “toughness” look at the end of marked for death and his fight against screw face and how he is doubled during that fight despite nothing truly dangerous being performed.
    Now I don’t expect an “actor” to do the kind of stunts Jackie chan used to do due to risks but for a SUPPOSED real life tough guy like seagal to not do some relatively non dangerous stunt work says plenty about his actual toughness.
    If he is as “tough” as he claims and had pride in his work he shouldn’t have been so obviously stunt doubled.

    For me he hasn’t made a decent film since under siege and even that is only a fairly good/good die hard type film. Personally I prefer Olympus has fallen for a film of that type.

  10. Slater93

    August 17, 2016 at 1:38 am

    Been waiting for this validation for YEARS

  11. Jason Montell

    October 5, 2016 at 2:25 am

    This article is bullshit.
    There is an interview with seagull where he states that gene lebel was helping him stretch. He went on and said that gene held him in positions that were stretching out his muscles and he then went limp from the relaxation which is where the chock out story came from..
    So, everybody can dismiss the author of this article as being ill informed.

    By the way, I truly believe he did get choked out.

  12. Jeremy Becker

    December 11, 2016 at 3:38 am

    The truth finally comes out, but I already knew the choke out story was BS. Just some people jealous of Seagal’s skill and fame. Haters gonna hate.

  13. Ryan

    March 22, 2018 at 2:19 am

    Incorrect. Kevin Hart was there and retells this story after seeing it himself.

  14. palasta .

    May 5, 2018 at 12:44 am

    Well, where is video?

    “We actually have video of all those that were present that day when Gene met Steven. They all say Gene is telling a major lie.”